He said that i have to give him some time. It never feels over! They can lie in a New York minute. I am in no way shape or form insinuating that women narcs/borderlines are worse than male narcs. What should I do? He didnt care anymore. Also, the idea, that he fell right into the NPD diagnoses, but without the nastiness. And now travel back in time almost 17 years Wed known each other three years, but had only been dating for six weeks at this point, as he first had a string of others he labeled everything from bipolar nymphomaniacs to bisexual stalkers. He needs to be seen as perfect a all times. I am not alive anymore. The pieces of this insane puzzle will never come together and you may never truly understand what she was thinking or feeling for you. Not many people know what Narcissists are. But I suspect now that he has used up all of his tricks he wont come back. 1. She was 16 he 27. It was a crazy roller coaster. Now I see that the therapist was wrong. [Read: 7 Reasons Why Narcissists Wont Give You Closure]. and maybe he does in HIS way but why wont he let go. some deep childhood trauma I just ignore it. They love the attention whether bad or good. I also asked him to take my photos down of me on his facebook page and he said NO, why feel the need to keep them up?? I spent so much money on marriage counseling only for me to look like the crazy one while he played the victim dealing with my erratic outbursts. He also stated that if i were to bring it up again he would divorce me, because of how low I made him feel was the worst pain he has ever felt. Such a saint of a man, right? Everything your narcissist loved about you at the start of the relationship will now become a major turn-off to them, and they'll let you know. So I fled to clear my head, get all the support legal and otherwise, and am now returning to finslise this. Oh, apart from a Dear John at my workplace, He ended our 4 year entanglement over the phone. Knowledge is power! The Ultimate Narcissist Dictionary for Defining Narcissism and Narcissistic Abuse, What is Hoovering? Its like hes incapable of admitting wrongdoing. Helpt me with the car etc.. I keep giving people more maturity points than they deserve. She knows who was always there for her, but no more. Why? Thats why it is so easy to come back because i have no one here in my neighborhoud. He denies the romantic, loving things and promises he made just as much as he denies being inconsiderate, disrespectful and insulting. He became a drug using front-man/bartender /food server who contacted me 25ish years after graduating high school and the nostalgic memories of our youth attracted me towards him when we talked about how cute we were in 7th grade holding hands and kissing by the school bus. Your child will be of value to the narcissistic father after divorce until they begin to age and start pulling away. Im here to tell you the one wayhow to know if a narcissist is finished with you. So NC is the only way for me, or I end up mourning and missing him..and frankly after the things hes said and done he doesnt deserve access to me. Our family had never fallen out until Dad died. I want him out but no success so far. I was just so proud of myself that i managed to get my live back on track. We all die alone. That quote is for normal people, not narcissists. It also made me less valuable to her, I guess. He said I was thinking stupid and that there was nothing there Next thing you know he ended it with me, totally ended it. I feel like an idiot now, but the penny only really dropped for me about 5 months ago, about who and what Cameron really was. He shared school supplies and candy with me. When they lose said control, this illusion is shattered. Theres really only one way to know when a narcissist is finished with you: when you decide they are. Just left spinning, not knowing what hit us, But if you dig real deep & can manage to think through the brainwashing & brain fog, the one thing they cant and will never be able to take from us is our ability to Love. Ten years and two kids later with a Narc. I guess Im just struggling with all the emotions related to the situation more than anything. Im so confused. See, it was all a plan to slowly work his way back. Like I said I dont have prove yet and dont want to ask him, just for my sanity I was wondering If they do stuff like this? And most important the lies were driving me bonkers. Yeah, getting closure is tough, for sure. The last four years together ( out of 8 ) were hell! Since my ex has found out, I have had him slandering my name to mutual friends. Which is dumb, but I still find myself wondering. If youd be interested in coaching to implement and maintain No Contact, I could also help you understand what made you his victim. Its hard to see the future without him. Hes like so you dont care about the kids? I cant imagine being married to him. Should I be concerned for my safety? Cheers! (!). You cannot hide or change if you do not know that the disorder exists. I can say that it was initially hard, but once you reclaim happiness in yourself and your own life, you realize how much better off you are. These people do need to know they cant always get away with their cruelties. If he comes to my door, Im not answering. Karen!!! Thankyou for your advice. Maybe a couple of conversations will be amazing, but dont let on they are. Anyone who has dealt with a narc is changed and scarred forever, Period. After days of intense greeve and tears mostly for the big quetions of this relation.. he came and told me he has something with a man. You capture so well what is going on in a narcissists mind. The only reason why there was any communication in April of this year is because he was snooping on my LinkedIn profile. I never heard or saw him again. I have experienced this for seven years and I truly understand. There is nothing going on. The pendulum. All those who read this please pray for me. n.b. It worked! Thanks for another good post, Kim. they were weeping for validation of their love), I decided their words and action no longer hold much weight. Zero self-reflection nor desire to better herself. I know borderlines have huge abandonment issues and the fact that I kept leaving him made him much more desperate to have me but narcissists hate when you abandon them as well. Nothing getting in the way. I love you so much much more than I could ever say and in this chaotic time of my life Ive found something truly beautiful that changes the way I look at everything (I dont think you realize just how much impact youve already left on me permanently) Dont be scared. So now he have his Controle back. This is the first fall of many years i am alone now. Explain to your attorney yes what happened but what you will and wont allow for your childs sake tug of war with a little one will be felt by little one but informing other adults in your circle your support system what you want for your My narc always told me it was in the house and even offered help to find. Maybe its just a matter of time he contacts me again. I remain perpetually on the fence about him! He called back repeatedly, sent 17 emails in a 12 hour period. So whether your ex is serious or not, please dont fall for it. It makes them feel out of control. Any advice would help. Watch out. and all because of the one & only CRIME we are all GUILTY of. Interesting. He is lying to her about his finances and tells her I am trying to turn the kids against him, which could not be further from the truth. You can check out my healing tools here on the site for starters. There is Always some way to give a sign of living. Mine apologized for the first time in five years when she realized I wasnt coming back. What this last year has done for me is start to see him for he really is and allow my love for him to begin to wither and die. Thankfully my friends noticed her awkward behavior and helped me put the puzzle together. Do they send clues or try to spy to see if you are still alive? You think you are completely over them but letting them in too soon gives them the opening to triangulate, manipulate and mind phuck. Two weeks later, the ex began calling & texting for the next three weeks, several times a week. Now, you're left feeling confused and searching for reasons as to why they changed . So true, Recovered! I have mine blocked but when I get the urge I switch to my Bible app and read James I really do. Are you stuck in the back-and-forth of trying to go No Contact for good? Sad, but true. I have basically gone underground to prevent that. Why all those lies in the shop?. RodMan, thanks for your insight. Either way, you might want to try some of the healing tools here on the site, and check out the suggestions in my recent article, http://letmereach.com/2014/10/06/why-do-i-feel-so-attached-to-my-narcissistic-ex/. They apparently return to any relationship if they think there is something to gain from it. If I didnt still have his e-mails I might be inclined to consider his insults to be true. Im entering the no contact phase but still I want to talk to him. A narcissist will always return to an ex-lover to ensure that his narcissistic supply still pines for him and that she never moves on from the pain he has caused her. And they are not happy in their new life. Should I call him, meet with him. The last man shed ever kiss. lack of communication and time spent on the relationship, lack of clarity in what his needs/wants/expectations were, lack of definition of my status in his life, etc). Warden I now have the keys!! No Contact makes the narcissist feel small, worthless, and powerless. I was obsessing about him even though my life was going well. From the perspective of a narcissist, it makes sense. You will thank yourself in the morning. Email only contact about Only childs needs issues happenings cut man out of all your social media by filtering through current accounts to start fresh with health boundaries work on Your Ideas for Personal Boundaries with Counselor and read as many blogs as you can do not give up for your child and you You know what you know about him get a UPS address its a physical address and inform a local Domestic Violence Shelter for ideas, support, advocacy too. Youve been emotionally and financially abused and cast-off like a paper bag from McDonalds. I have gone no contact but he always seems to find a way, I am strong and have no intentions of ever letting him gas light or hoover me back to his destructive way of contorting the truth and blaming me for everything and then in the next breath telling me how much he loves me and misses me and can we please go on holiday together when this pandemic is over. Were both the same age. That is something that will take time. He withheld his banking information from me, but needed access to mine. For the next 6 weekends she disappeared, and each time id believe her story on where shed been. I was contacted by the narcissist that I divorced in April. But basically Ive finally realize the only way for me to grow and live is to leave him. The disappearing act commences. I was scared, i became sick, lost a lot of my hair and quickly fell away from all social contact with anyone. She stated to me she had know idea what the situation was, but when she found out she was upset and removed herself from the situation. The term is character assassination. Uncovering the Mystery Behind Narcissism Youll Be Shocked! He obviously couldnt stand being called out on his behavior. Ran into him and his dog and he said Hi Becky, stopped and looked pensive as too who was on the beach. I guess Im not supposed to know what to do. I say jargon because his behavior certainly didnt reflect his words. I think the hardest part for me now is accepting what he is. This is not a means for them to get back to you at all. Then he sent a picture of his dick to one of my best friends and he said it had been an accident. He plays a role in a lot of storys because he is part of my history. They're ignoring you and making themselves inaccessible to you. Go figure. Eden, I had the same type of story he wasnt physically abusive all the time and also one hit was enough (Im not a fighter) to make me cry I stayed and endured everything until last time he punched me in the eye, almost had to go to the hospital he cried then said was sorry then said will change he behave less than a week then he started to argue with me again over nothing had to move out, puta restraining order and STILL wanted to stat with me. [] committed?) Wow!!! He even wanted to be close friends with his ex-wife who happened to remarried. I am simply bringing awareness to the masses that women can be just as cruel, and in SOME cases (not all by any means, but some) can even be harder to get over. This is the same selfish shite who left me in debt with unpaid bills, and in the time that he had stayed in my house he had bought two investment properties and of course he also left me his cat. Believe me, since she is not diagnosed, it has been hard for me to pinpoint just what her disorder is. Anon, what it means iswhen a person is the target of an emotional abuser, they lose their sense of identity. They are all programmed the same way. The point is we should always be aware of these when meeting a new prospect! He told her he is waiting for Loving and wishing for something that did not exist. She knows about the breakup and I tell her Im avoiding him, which she understands. I think disordered women make far better/effective liars then men in general, so the pain can be even worse for a male victim. I even ready an article where it asked the partner of a narcissist, Are you sleep deprived? Answer (1 of 5): One of the worst fears a narcissist has is being exposed . Ex left me, remember? The only way they can gain access to you again is through friendship, so the narcissist will do everything possible to make that happen. Theyll use this opportunity to butter you up and tell you how awesome you are, that theyre still in love with you, and if you cant be lovers, theyll settle for just friends. I thought I was the one that was crazy, not a good person, inadequate, didnt make enough money, didnt do the right thing, couldnt keep it together. They are used you are not used as a chance for you to have knowledge that I need help to find the strength to not reach out to him. A narcissist will always return to an ex-lover to ensure that his narcissistic supply still pines for him and that she never moves on from the p So, by being straight and cutting him out for good, you took back the power. He even moved from LA to NY to be with her and they had only been dating a month! I only wish I had this site to counsel me at the time! Feeling rejected, (we all know how they hate that) he sent me a nasty email. Theyll seek out your biggest weakness, insecurity, or theyll touch on something they know will really hurt you, and theyll go all out with it. Hes a lost cause unfortunately. Their pattern is idealise, devalue, discard. In response to Jills comment, Oct 10 at 9:31 PM, Jill, there was something broken in them that we wanted to try and heal or at least help them through. Does it transfer to the OW? I have a hard head and have struggled for years. In other words, the new partner better looks on point at all times or its going to be a problem. He has found another source of supply for himself 2. If I feel like answering I do. Over time the demands became more intense, he lost more and more interest in me. The never meeting his family or friends The half truths.. It was one date and done, but I occasionally every blue moon thought of her and how she was doing these days. She would constantly tell me how highly she speaks of me to him. I was upset and I confronted him. As soon as I read, he treated me like a queen when he wasnt a crazy maker the BPD read signalled in my brain. What did i find? I cant sleep I cant eat. I am now 53, please god let him be the final one. I mean that. I think of them as masters of the game. And he is holding on, believing I am the love of his life. I dont doubt it was a sad day or that he even missed me a little..but I also know that he probably PLANNED to msg me on that day to illicit the sympathy from me. Child is best for child and for you in Abuse and CoDependency Recovery going through similar I am not an expert but serious watch this lady Lisa A Romano (married twice to 2 Narcissists and watch Ross Rosenburg counselor super aware too). But basically, its a low and painful blow that knocks the wind out of you and may take you out of action for a few hours. He was a chubby boy with glasses who grew up to be a very handsome man. She took a lot from me, and I cannot let her think that she can get away with this stuff all the time. After crying, talking, and crying a lot more, he left, and I closed the door behind him. Meditate twice daily for at least 15 minutes We must lover ourself just as much as our childeren. Today, he showed up at my front door. After three days he was gone. I mean.. i knew he was a little bi but i know for sure he is not realy gay. He sounds like he could be a Narc however, now that Ive been in a relationship with one, I sometimes feel a little paranoid when I meet a new guy. FAST and PRAY That gets Gods eyes on you. I would like to share my story in details but Im at work now and just wanted to say that myself too been in a relationship with a Narc for almost 2 years but recently discovered what exactly is wrong with her No contact now for 2 months and started to learn about narcissism and NPD in the past month. I was so depressed. Its a terrible brain wash these creatures put us through. My bruises didnt show for two days. Happy with girlfriend, but thinks you guys should be friends Translation: Somethings not on the up and up and/or he has discovered some way that getting back in touch with you will benefit him. ), my friends, and those, in and of themselves, are wonderful and I wouldnt trade them for anything but something is different and very unique with you. I do not say this lightly, I wish I could say I saw through him much earlier. My words to him were I forgive you because I know you are a tortured soul. I hope you get some help because I think you have a lot of potential. I am embarrased. . So what I did to mine was send him articles on Narcissism and asked him to read then and to also read the book The Sociopath next Door. And maybe he does love me, his own way; I believe he does. Theres a reason here that may not be obvious, but its not due to a sudden change of heart. He is sick and will not stop I do not know how to stay away when my daughters and yes me would do anything for him to change. I love myself through you. I cannot and will not respond to this letter or give this man any facetime or interaction with me again though. 2. He knew that one day I was going to leave him, I told him a few times in fights that one day I was gonna go. Not explanation. Mine did the same to me. If you think about it, its what separates us from them. As mentioned, narcissists only get involved in a relationship if theres narcissistic supply available, if not, theyre not interested. Thank god I got a new job that it will provide for me and my son to move out, otherwise I would have been screwed. 4. you are worthy and deserving of true love, attention, affection, respect and admiration. Narcs are not decent people and I am scared now what this contact means. The first year and half of the relationship he seemed kind enough. But I know now. My ex pulled the same crap. She often would talk me up and compliment me more than usual after we would reconnect following a period of no contact as if it were her way of apologizing. Anonymous, I think Kim is right. Still a part of letting go. Im convinced. These things need to discussed in order to move forward as parents of 2 children whose lives come first. My narc actually made up a lot and told everyone I was cheating on him.. Come to find out that his wife found out about us and told him she was done lol lol lol!! He had a steady and other liasons. He then said he didnt plan to kill me he just wanted to see my reaction. Focus on healing and getting physically and mentally healthy to avoid any future Ns. Told him he was a liar, manipulator, attention seeking narcissist. She then called me for advice on how to get him out of her house. This website was how do you say it? On the night i realized i had been duped, deceived and manipulated for years, i had discovered pornography in his gym bagsubsequent to this raw finding, i had wondered why he spent so many hours in the gym? I wont be scared I need to know if someone who is not violent or have never exhibited violent tendencies, but is clearly PD in cluster format can they be sent over the edge? Ignore it. Then she blocks me, so I cant say anything. I relented once or twice and regretted it. 3. You are a great person, one who has so many wonderful qualities, with a mighty calling from God on your life! This man left our family in shambles I dont even want to look at him let alone joke around with him. The obsession I have with my most recent ex has been hard to get over, especially as he exhibits these traits. My poor friend just sat there with a glazed look; she barely got a word in. If you are like me, we are natural protectors and want the very best for the woman in our lives. So i have got to stay strong. Wake up and be true to yourself! But don't get me wrong. As far as I know she is still with the new BF who she has now been with for going on one year. It eats me. These exes that the narcissist connects with because theyre still under the narcissists spell. I said well if your going to kill me, then do it. I dont know about the sex because he found it difficult to get it or keep it up towards the end of us as I was onto him and was setting boundaries, the stress was killing his libido I think, hence the reason this new target suits because she is careful and that suits him because he cant perform ? I kept two years worth of text messages to prove we had a relationship to combat his lies or if he wants to sue me. I seem to remember saying to you a few weeks before we left school that I needed to be away from and also take a step back and really look at how I felt about you and our relationship. That brokenness that we originally recognized is still there and it is just not fixable by mankind. No one makes anyone behave in disorder ways. These are a few I experienced. The best way to get rid of a Narc once and for all is no contact. Thanks Kim for this wonderful blog. settlement, yet he does not have a solicitor. I know how you feel. I am shocked at myself..I am savvy.. but his lies and deception shone through and good luck to his new GF ..he wants women with high profiles to further himself.. and I had many contacts.maybe getting so distraught and phoning his Mom was not a good idea.. but hey he said he had his own home yes lies lies lies.. never ending. 2) accept it it kind of placed me in a situation where their support was conditional on my taking this risk.. May God help and heal us all. Narcissists dont engage the final discard. My narc called me an alcoholic, bipolar, bad mum etc etc all in front of police whilst he was raging because i have hidden some assets and he tried to get them and they werent here si he called the police. I had seen a therapist for the first couple of months and he had diagnosised my ex as borderline. Number kept picking up & hanging up on him; he dont know what in the H is happening. Just be silent and it will kill them. A few months later the bosses ex wife called me and told me the affair had started while we were still living together. Replies appreciated! Guess it didnt matter to the police that I had marks all over my body and I was actually bleeding on my arm. This is just out of pure curiosity, but lets say that I decided not to pursue the money and just let things be. This one I am still dealing with has been a nightmare to come to terms with from an emotional standpoint. Three weeks ago, we had a huge fight, which turned physical. What would you do if I wasnt here to support you? After hearing statements like this all the time, you eventually start believing it, and your self-esteem suffers. This statement shows the true colors of a narcnot whether or not they are guilty of what you accuse them of as they will never have a real discussion about thatbut now they are the victims of you unfairly saying they are abusive and tarnishing their fake reputation. A Narc will do the same thing to his next target. Relationships with narcissists have a cycle to them that plays out again and again. I still secretly hope he comes back just so I have the pleasure of saying no! His response: It is nothing, you are absolutely crazy, we just were having a good time. They lack the emotional depth for that kind of empathy..and to be truly sorry they would have to recognize that they are the cause of someone elses pain. Maybe its only that. Funny thing is I told therapist he picked tohelp us that I wanted out but was afraid. Where Im from, we call them wolves in sheeps clothing (shudder). After telling him yet another crazy story about him, my bf informed me I had been under the clutches of a classic Narc. Never happy, always thinking of nobody else but themselves. You are not alone, you dont need to do it alone. She wants to be my friend because of how she thinks my presence serves as one of her ideal actors in the movie that is her life. I feel i need him. I did..and regretted it of course. Where do i stand when i let him still in my heart and in my life? So, you know better about your situation. 1. It was within a few short weeks after that I was cut out of her life. What a reward, huh? The moment I would confront him, he would try to minimize the problem and it made me feel like I was the crazy one. I shouldnt feel bad but its like I dont exist and hes behaving so well for her and he was horrible to me. I am trying to encourage a relationship between him and kids. And all the good times we had, because he did treat me very well (u can read my her posts). Watch out for laziness. Seven months later. They are full of jealousy, rage, insecurity, and hatred. If you have established NC where does all the rage go? Thanks a lot! Are these guys just everywhere?? Their messages or words will sound very convincing, so be careful. [] 3) Hoovering Hoovering presents in many forms. My question is: from someone who has never exhibited violent tendencies, but is clearly NPD and Antisocial personality disorder should I be concerned for my safety from here on in? For example, he could be a Narcissist and Borderline, too (or vice versa). They may just reel you back in and it all starts again until you defy them and you are discarded all over again. I was screaming inside! There was no intimate way of the two of them in the pictures, but she also emailed him how fun it would be to get a hotel room together in Daytona for an upcoming show. 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