This I happen to remember. LARRY LIEBER: Okay. a little space for myself or something, and I wanted to do a little drawing again. I didn't want to give a light tone to it. It's easy on the letterer; they're going to be using it all the time. Lee is survived by his young brother, Larry Lieber, who is a writer and artist for Marvel, as well as his 67-year-old daughter, J.C. Lee. Can you tell me what did a script look like? Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. Marvel's Thor first appeared in August 1962's Journey into Mystery #83, with creation credits believed to be Jack Kirby (penciler/plotter), Stan Lee (editor/plotter) and Larry Lieber (scripter). Brother of Stan Lee. Didn't have to have six panels. Q: Did you come up with any of the names in Thor? I don't know. Since 2021 the record price for this artist at auction is 650 USD for Lieber Larry - The Amazing Spider-Man, sold at . Q: What did you come up with? Yeah, something printed. But there's another person who deserves to be in the conversation, even in a smaller capacity: Lee's brother, Larry Lieber. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. I assumed, seeing a man walk out of the office and tear his artwork up, that or I thought probably they were rejected and he was annoyed or disgusted. He scripted and occasionally also drew the odd Western or Sgt. Q: The way when we talked about the first script for Iron Man and the first script for Thor and the first script for Ant-Man, were those Marvel style? But I don't yeah, yeah, Stan. But it didn't last too long and but I don't remember when these things were. Q: There's a reference here to "Marvel style." Q: Do you know who the artist was who drew the first Iron Man? LARRY LIEBER: I I'm not certain. '"[20] Under Lee's plotting, Lieber's eight Thor stories also introduced the Marvel characters Loki, Odin, and Balder, from the pantheon of Norse mythological gods; their home, Asgard; and Bifrost the Rainbow Bridge, which connected that realm to Earth. I didn't think about it at all. Genealogy for Celia Lieber (Solomon) (1894 - 1947) family tree on Geni, with over 230 million profiles of ancestors and living relatives. "[8], At 17, Lieber became a messenger for The New York Times and also found work at the Times Square studio of Sam Furber, a letterer whose work included movie posters. The very last line on page19. . LARRY LIEBER: Well, when I started, as I said, Stan said to me, you know, I said I'm not a writer. So I came up with that. Home My Books Expand. Larry D. Lieber [1] ( / libr /; born October 26, 1931) [2] is an American comic book artist and writer. Larry Lee is the younger brother of Stan Lee and was born on October 26th, 1931. And it was kind of fun and he liked what I did. I didn't want to hear something like that." Tudor City had a park, and when it was nice I'd sit there and break the story down picture by picture. I wanted to leave, so I left. Larry Lieb is a nationally known subject matter expert in the field of computer forensics and electronic discovery. Other Formats: Paperback . Q: Good work. But now it was impossible. I had a furnished room in somebody's apartment. View the profiles of people named Larry Lieber. Regardless, his next confirmed credit is penciling and inking the three-page story "A World to Conquer" in Journey into Unknown Worlds #52 (Dec. 1956), followed by stories in such Atlas romance comics as Love Romances, Love Tales, Stories of Romance, True Tales of Love and The Romances of Nurse Helen Grant in issues cover-dated April to August 1957 and July 1958. Beginning in 1951, he spent four years in the Air Force during the Korean War era, two years in Okinawa, before pursuing his chosen field. I did not get paid as much as Stan, you know, his rate. I wrote The Rawhide Kid and I drew it. Were the scripts that you wrote for Iron Man, Ant-Man and Thor, were those Marvel style? For another series, starring the Human Torch from the Fantastic Four, Lieber co-created the longstanding supervillain the Wizard in Strange Tales #102 (Nov. 1962). LARRY LIEBER: And once I tried, because I couldn't get work from Marvel and I sent some samples of my not original artwork because I didn't have it, but I sent some comic books over to DC through a friend of mine, Frank Giacoia, who had worked for them, they knew him. Later, in 1958 he was fortunate to have the opportunity to. Q: I think you mentioned that you started working at Marvel in about 1958? LARRY LIEBER: Stan Lee. Facebook gives people the power to. LARRY LIEBER: No. He was very easy, he was showing me and he'd make some little corrections. LARRY LIEBER: Stan. Q: We don't have to worry about I'm focusing you, I'm sorry, I'm focusing you on the period 1958 to 1965. Q: Is that because those pages were originally ripped in half? No. I lived with him for a while and it didn't work out so well. Regardless, his next confirmed credit is penciling and inking the three-page story "A World to Conquer" in Journey into Unknown Worlds #52 (Dec. 1956), followed by stories in such Atlas romance comics as Love Romances, Love Tales, Stories of Romance, True Tales of Love and The Romances of Nurse Helen Grant in issues cover-dated April to August 1957 and July 1958. [27], The Hulk was kind of popular on television, and so I drew The [Incredible] Hulk. Q: And you were writing scripts? Lieber recalled in 1999 he had written some or all of these stories himself, "because I remember Stan was saying to me, 'You write romances really well. The media giant, which acquired Marvel in 2009, on Friday sued Larry Lieber, who helped create the characters Iron Man, Thor and Ant-Man, and the estates of several . Q: Have you ever submitted a, what we call a declaration or affidavit in connection with a lawsuit? For a while there it appeared that there was nothing that Larry couldn't do - he wrote and he drew, and he did them both solidly and more than competently and remained at Marvel for many years. [18] LARRY LIEBER: I believe so. MR. TOBEROFF: I'm supposed to object before you answer. I put in a voucher. MS. SINGER: You have to give a pause so he can object to his own questions too. No. Q: When is the first time you heard the phrase "work made for hire," if any? And as time went on, he had fewer to make. (At this point there was a break where testimony was taken 'off the record' at the requests of Marvels lawyer. They had one son: Stanley Martin Lieber. LARRY LIEBER: I would think during that period I always did, but there was a time but I don't know when it was, that's why I started to say that when I once or twice did it differently. [As well i]t was simply too risky for me not to be grooming some other writers to fill the break if necessary. Please share on social media! [15], Lieber's earliest, tentatively confirmed pre-superhero Marvel script is for the six-page Don Heck-illustrated "I Am the Beast-Man" in Strange Tales #77 (Oct. 1960), and his first confirmed is the 13-page "I Led the Strange Search for Manoo", penciled by Kirby and inked by Dick Ayers, in Amazing Adventures #2 (July 1961). He hired Lieber to be editor of the Atlas black-and-white comics-magazines, and additionally hired Warren Publishing veteran Jeff Rovin to edit the color comic-book line, which soon fell under Lieber's editorship.[25]. My the reason I remember is that I was worried about paying my rent, and I wondered, if he doesn't like this, how often do I have to keep redoing this plot. Q: Stan Lee. LARRY LIEBER: No. Lieber then succeeded Kida on the daily strip in 1986. [1], Lieber also penciled The Amazing Spider-Man Annual #4-5 (1967-1968), the latter introducing in flashback the late parents of protagonist Peter Parker; co-wrote and co-penciled the first solo Doctor Doom feature story, in Marvel Super-Heroes #20 (May 1969);[11] and did occasional other work including, for Magazine Management's men's magazines, several stories of the bawdy "nudie-cutie" comedy feature "Pussycat". I know there were artists who work for other companies. [16], Under Stan Lee plots, Lieber would go on to script the debut origin stories and other early appearances of the superheroes Thor (co-created with artist Jack Kirby) in Journey into Mystery, Iron Man (co-created with Kirby and Don Heck) in Tales of Suspense, and Ant-Man (co-created with Kirby) in Tales to Astonish. My brother was back from the Service, he was just married and he moved out outside of New York to Long Island. [8], Lieber, who credits Lee as a good editor, writer and writing teacher, said his brother made very few editorial changes to Lieber's scripts. Lambiek Comiclopedia artist ID. Q: Let's talk about Ant-Man. And I put in a voucher. Stan Lee. So that was my first victory if you want to call that a victory, right. Afterwards, I had been so used to it that I wouldn't have noticed if it was still there or not. LARRY LIEBER: I always wrote the script. Edward L. K He continues to pencil the Spider-Man daily strip as of 2014. [26] Lee then offered him the editorship of Marvel UK, the New York City-based imprint that produced black-and-white reprint comics for the UK market, as well as new stories of the superhero Captain Britain. Mother of: Stanley Martin Lieber, aka Stan Lee Lawrence D. "Larry" Lieber (B2610310R) Burial: 17 Dec 1947 NY, NY City Municipal Deaths (FamilySearch) Thank you, Shannon. The only, and this isn't interviewed, but, no, no, no, no, no. Q: None whatsoever? Q: And how did you come up with his name? I'm sorry. Do you know what that is? It would be panel by panel. Lieber, by now living in the Tudor City apartment complex in Manhattan, began freelancing[14] regularly for the nascent Marvel Comics, "writing stories for Jack [Kirby] to draw",[12] referring to the artist who had co-created Captain America for the company in 1940 and had recently returned for a long, exclusive stint in which Kirby would co-create many signature Marvel characters in the Silver Age of Comics. Though he gave up the role of regular artist in Spring 1979 and the role of regular writer in mid-1982, he would still write and draw the occasional installment until the strip's end in September 1982. Q: Okay. 2. "[8], Atlas/Seaboard and return to Marvel[edit] In 1974, Lieber left Marvel to take on an editorship at Atlas/Seaboard Comics, the term that comic book historians and collectors use to refer to the "Atlas Comics" line published by Seaboard Periodicals, to differentiate it from the 1950s Marvel Comics predecessor Atlas Comics. MS. SINGER: Objection. Stanley Martin (Stan) Lee formerly Lieber. It's vague. Larry Lieber was born in Manhattan, New York City, the second child of Romanian-Jewish immigrant parents Celia (ne Solomon) and Jack Lieber, and the brother of Stanley Martin Lieber, later known as Marvel Comics editor and impresario Stan Lee. Stan said, 'I'm trying to make up a character,' and he gave me the plot, and he said, 'Why don't you write the story? Marvel? He may, probably, he had come out of Stan's office, and he seemed upset. I'm sorry, what? I think the Ant-Man, I think it was Jack Kirby who drew it, so I would have either sent it to him, if it was late, or I would have brought it to the office and then handed it to Stan. Q: Did you have any conversations or any interactions with Jack Kirby about the Thor book? Q: Now, again, during the period 1958 to '65, where were you living at the time? Jack might have been I think Jack was the first. [6] Lee elsewhere described that move to a two-story, three-bedroom home at 1084 West Broadway as occurring in 1949,[7] when Larry would have been 17 or 18. LARRY LIEBER: No. No. Wikipedia (15 entries) edit. Widower of Private LARRY LIEBER: I would grow to the office with it. MR. TOBEROFF: That's okay. I'm not certain whether it was at the same time they were working for Marvel. I did a few inventory stories [in the comic books] or different things, until finally they needed somebody, an artist, on [the] Spider-Man [comic] strip, which Fred Kida had been doing until he retired. l/lieber_larry. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Early life. Within a few years I gathered quite a few of the early Marvels I had missed including a bunch . Larry Lieber is the author of Captain Britain (3.48 avg rating, 46 ratings, 13 reviews, published 2011), Tales to Astonish #13 (3.31 avg rating, 29 ratin. LARRY LIEBER: No. I did a few inventory stories [in the comic books] or different things, until finally they needed somebody, an artist, on [the] Spider-Man [comic] strip, which Fred Kida had been doing until he retired. Q: You can answer. Q: When you would receive a check from Marvel, was there anything printed on the check besides, you know, your name and the amount? Now, onto the deposition of Larry Lieber: LARRY LIEBER: I I know I was doing, sometime back, I did The Hulk newspaper strip. It was always check. Died 12 Nov 2018 at age 95 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles . There was nothing about this most . Q: Was it the usual practice that you would write a book for a few issues and then you would move on to something else? Q: And was it your understanding that the import of the writing on the back of these checks was that by signing the check and accepting payment for your work, you were transferring over to Marvel all rights in your work? Stan had said he had an idea for a character, he wanted to write the story and for one of the books and told me or gave me, you know, a synopsis and I went home and wrote it. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Q: Do you have any recollection that it stopped at some point? [As well i]t was simply too risky for me not to be grooming some other writers to fill the break if necessary. I believe I did. From 1974 to 1975, he was editor of Atlas/Seaboard Comics. After a while, I'd just go to the typewriter. Q: Did you were you ever interviewed in connection with any lawsuit previously? LARRY LIEBER: No. Larry Lieber was born in Manhattan, New York City, New York, the second child of Romanian Jewish immigrant parents Celia (Solomon; 1898-1947) and Jack Lieber (1893-1964), and the brother of Stanley Martin Lieber, later known as Marvel Comics editor and impresario Stan Lee. LARRY LIEBER: I believe so, yes. Larry Lieber is Stan Lee's younger brother and wrote Marvel books in the sixties such as Iron Man, Thor and Rawhide Kid. Usually, there were six panels on a page and I would describe the action in the first in the first panel. Q: So not in the period 1958 to 1965? He just didn't like my question. (break in testimony) LARRY LIEBER: What's that? No. Well, wait a minute. Bryan Hitch Still Drawing The Authority- But For What? LARRY LIEBER: I don't recall the exact words, but the gist of it was that I was giving up all rights to it, that the work, you know, now is with the company and and I don't remember the exact wording, but I think it was something "giving up your rights" or "all rights." From his 2010 deposition: 17 (break in testimony) LARRY LIEBER: Well, this must have been a Hulk story and I have the originals at home. LARRY LIEBER: Yeah. [18] I needed someone to write the new feature, which would hopefully be Marvel's fourth winner in our little superhero sweepstakes. [9], Career[edit] Early work[edit] In 1941 Lee had been made the editor of Timely Comics, the future Marvel Comics, a division of a publishing company owned by a relative, Martin Goodman. MR. TOBEROFF: Assumes facts. I didn't want to give a light tone to it. Hexagon Comics celebrates the 60th anniversary of Barbarella by releasing two comic books by Jean-Claude Forest, for the first time in English. Q: And the "he" there was Stan Lee? After a while, I did better and I and I enjoyed it. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Larry Lieber, who scripted the initial appearances of Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, Loki, Fin Fang Foom, and other heroic and villainous characters in the Marvel Universe, has sued Marvel/Disney for a bigger portion of the pie. As Lieber recalled it to comics historian Daniel Best, "My mother died when I was 16. The artist made the change after a reader complained the cut was too old-fashioned. [11], Hulk and Spider-Man comic strips[edit] In 1978, Lieber began penciling and sometimes inking the new daily and Sunday comic strip The Incredible Hulk,[27] written by Lee and syndicated by the Register and Tribune Syndicate. He looked a little surprised and walked away, and then I stopped writing it and he would I don't know if he was writing it or somebody else, but they gave it another name, which I believe was the authentic name from Bulfinch's Mythology. LARRY LIEBER: About then, yeah. [5] At "about ten-and-a-half", with his brother in the U.S. Army, Lieber and his parents returned to Manhattan, moving to the Washington Heights neighborhood. LARRY LIEBER: I felt that they didn't have to pay me for it. [8], 1950s[edit] After returning from the service, Lieber attended Manhattan's Art Students League. Then you would bring it to the office? Q: Do you know what Milly's last name was? Lee was known for being Marvel Comics' lead creative leader for almost 21 years.. With his work alongside co-writer/artists Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko, he co-created many popular fictional characters, including superheroes Spider-Man, the X-Men, Iron Man, Thor . LARRY LIEBER: Oh, yes. The media giant, which acquired Marvel in 2009, on Friday sued Larry Lieber, who helped create the characters Iron Man, Thor and Ant-Man, and the estates of several other artists, including Spider . And they didn't give me the work, and Stan had said he wasn't surprised that they didn't because they would be suspicious of me working for them while I'm Stan Lee's brother. LARRY LIEBER: I'm sorry, I Q: Who came up with the ideas for the characters that would be in the story? . I reduce the pencils and I fax them. Larry Lieber (est. Q: Did Marvel provide you with any health insurance or health benefits during the time you worked there? I think I wanted a little more freedom. LARRY LIEBER: I wrote the first script for Iron Man also. Q: And just to follow up on something you said, you mentioned a letterer, what was the job of the letterer? I tried to get names that fit the the person. Grant Morrison has named a few upcoming projects as part of their new Xanaduum Presents publishing line on Substack, for 2023. I had been living with relatives and I was going to the Art Students League studying MS. SINGER: Good work. And I, since I was such a big fan of his, I knew that at the end of the day, they would be discarded, you know, and would be trash. 3. MR. TOBEROFF: Just a second. When he has made corrections, I have fortunately agreed with it. Q: And those scripts were purchased by Marvel? [11], In 1978, Lieber began penciling and sometimes inking the new daily and Sunday comic strip The Incredible Hulk,[29] written by Lee and syndicated by the Register and Tribune Syndicate. He would give it written to me. Marvel Comics founder and longtime publisher Martin Goodman had left Marvel in 1972, having sold the company in 1968, and launched this new company in June 1974 to go head-to-head with Marvel and DC Comics. So at any rate finally I think at one point he got a little exasperated and he said, "Im going to hire some of the old pros." LARRY LIEBER: Journey Into Mystery. Husband of Joan (Boocock) Lee married 5 Dec 1947 in Reno, Nevada, United States. They tried somebody else and it didn't work out and they offered it to me and I started doing it and I've been doing it for 20 years now it'll be.[8]. LARRY LIEBER: They had about three stories in the magazine, drawn by different people. Q: And the black marks on the left and right-hand margins The others are worse than me. What did you do next with the script? Yes. LARRY LIEBER: I was living in Tudor City. His wife Joan, to whom he'd been married since 1949 . Since I knew how to draw, I'd think, 'Oh, this shot will have a guy coming this way this shot will have a guy looking down on him,' and later I'd sit at the typewriter and type it up. [11] Lieber recalled, I don't remember why I wanted to do it, particularly. I didn't think anything of it, so I don't remember if it lasted until '65 or when it stopped or occasionally or whatever. Maybe there was just too much humor in it, or too much something. [19], Lieber in 1999 remembered circumstances less hyperbolically: "Thor was just another story. We need the help of good genealogists to grow a completely free shared family tree to connect us all. LARRY LIEBER: Well, my brother made up the plot and gave me a synopsis. So I went back home and I did so, and I came back and I think either he didn't like it a second time or he accepted it, but there was another story that he made me redo again. Jacob was born on September 15 1886, in Botosani, Romania. That was it. It was the latter half of the 1960s when I became infatuated with Marvel Comics, among the favorites was Larry's Rawhide Kid. No. Q: And just to be clear, the when you wrote the script for Ant-Man, that was also with the full breakdown of the panels? Q: And your brother is? MS. SINGER: Objection. When he was six months old, the family moved to The Bronx, settling at 1720 University Avenue, which Lee . Q: So did you write the first issue of The Rawhide Kid? Frank Lieber (Lieber family) Frank Lieber served as president of the District 108 School Board in Highland Park during the 1970s, and raised funds for Highland . Stanley Martin Lieber, aka Stan Lee Lawrence D. "Larry" Lieber NY Death Cert # 027187. I don't know where the hell I came up with it. Changes in not in the basic story or anything, because I knew how to tell a story as well as anybody, I think, in terms of sequentially and what to draw, what to tell the artist. So I used to think, gee, well, you know, he draws faster than I can write, but I I wrote and mailed it to him. Larry Lieber is an American artist who was born in 1931. I I wrote a few books, the first issue or the first couple issues, yes. After the Great Depression, Jack had a hard time finding work, which made the family move from . Larry Lieber was born in Manhattan, New York City, New York, the second child of Romanian Jewish immigrant parents Celia (Solomon) and Jack Lieber, and the brother of the nearly nine years older Stanley Martin Lieber, later best known as Marvel Comics editor and impresario Stan Lee. Q: Who came up with the name Thor, the hero name? MR. TOBEROFF: Objection. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. I used to like to draw and copy them and so on. I had a certain page rate, which I don't recall exactly. Aftre a while, I'd just go to the typewriter. [25], When Atlas went under in late 1975, Lieber received six months severance pay and spent time trying to devise a newspaper comic strip for syndication. Larry Lieber studied at the Pratt Art Institute, Brooklyn, New York, and the Art Students League, New York City. LARRY LIEBER: You mean as opposed to cash? LARRY LIEBER: I sent it to the artist who yeah. Q: During all the time you did work with Marvel, did you have a written contract with Marvel? Lieber largely left superheroes to write and pencil what would be his signature series, the Marvel Western Rawhide Kid, beginning with issue #41 (Aug. 1964) and continuing through 1973 (after which it became a reprint title). It didn't work out too well, and Jeff finally left angrily or something, and I had to take over all his books. [21] Lieber wrote the first nine Ant-Man stories (following the character's non-costumed introduction months earlier) in Tales to Astonish #35-43 (Sept. 1962 - May 1963) before veteran Ernie Hart did five issues, followed by Lee taking over. Q: And what was printed on the back of the check? LARRY LIEBER: Oh, I would turn in the script. 0 references. with . I didn't think much about it because I felt the only reason I was doing it was to get paid, you know. Son of Jacob Aaron Lieber and Celia (Solomon) Lieber. Q: Okay. Q: And do you recall strike that. I needed someone to write the new feature, which would hopefully be Marvel's fourth winner in our little superhero sweepstakes. "[24] He considered seeking work at rival DC Comics, as some other Marvel writers and artists did, but found, "I was the only one who could never do that because that was the price for Stan being my brother. Q: Do you know who came up with the idea for Thor? LARRY LIEBER: Yes. None whatsoever. 5 Dec 1947. I was just a kid and kids liked comics at that time. Q: What was your involvement? What was the form it came in? Well, Marvel was at that time putting out black and white, what we call black and white books. Jack Lieber (father) (L-R) Stan, Jack, Larry and Celia. MR. TOBEROFF: Assumes facts. Find Dr. Lieber's phone number, address, insurance information, hospital affiliations and more. Q: How what was your involvement, besides coming up with the name Henry Pym, what was your involvement? LARRY LIEBER: What did a script look like? 3 references. 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