During Wickers 27-year tenure, FBC Naples grew from 400 weekly attendance to over 3,000. In the email, the group warned that Hayes had endorsed Woke Church, a book that the email claimed was promoting cultural Marxism., The email also objected to Hayes reportedly saying that he rejects the concept that a person can look at a person of color and see no color. The authors wrote, Paul is clear to us in Philippians 3:2-10 that we are to have no confidence in the flesh of our ethnicity.. The shooting drew national headlines, outrage and questions about whether race factored into the officers decision to open fire. The following Tuesday, April 23, Wicker met with FBC Naples leaders including Dorrill, Chairman of the Personnel Committee Troy Boone, Chairman of the Finance Committee Don Collier, and Chairman of Deacons Terry Cole. And this statement was made by an African American pastor on Moody Radio. It was appalling and heartbreaking to witness. Stop making everything about race. To those who are part of the Group of Concerned FBNC Members, the church's allegations of racism have no standing. Sad on many, many levels! Does my agreement with Dr. King and my deep concerns about intersectionality, et al, make me a racist? FBA is a discipleship school dedicated to preparing the next generation to serve in God's Kingdom. A portion of the 19% that voted against Marcus Hayes did so based on racial prejudices. As a seasonal member of FBCN during the events you cover here I can share how troubling this is. this approach to transition can become a helpful model for other churches.. So much for giving church members the benefit of the doubt. Generally, at Southern Baptist churches incoming pastors are approved by a majority of the church body upon recommendation from an elected search committee and/or pastoral staff, Stearns wrote. At Berean Baptist Church, we have one message-the message of the Lord Jesus Christ, and one ministry-the ministry He has given us to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. The Story Of First Baptist Church Naples is disturbing and alarming, but it is meant to be an inspiration. Doesnt the Holy Spirit operate in us as individuals? the group wrote. ", CONSIDER SUBSCRIBING TODAY: Help support local journalism, More: Read the letter from First Baptist to church members regarding voting results, In a letter to church membersshortly after the failed vote, the church pointed the finger at groupscalled "Voices of FBCN" and"Group of Concerned FBCN Members.". political and theological statements and his lack of experience leading a Just a couple of points for you to consider. More about this ministry: Welcome to First Naples! Instead, Wicker was quickly forced out. Allegedly he said he was happy to see some people in SBC membership moved to the bottom as others move to the top. Regardless of who is at fault for what, this is NOT what Church should be. It provides an identity for its most passionate acolytes. The experience with the church was so unnerving for the Wickers that in September, the extended familyincluding two adult children, their spouses, and six grandchildrenpulled up stakes from Naples and moved several states away. Regardless of what specific concerns were held, its important to know that 1) no evidence of genuine racism on the part of those holding them has surfaced, and 2) the efforts these members made to ask questions and express reservations were not taken seriously. To donate, click here. However, CT said it was not able to confirm whether Biltmore Church received such communications. How about Luke 16:11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? Men who run a church into so much debt that it is soon bankrupt with one plague of pestilence, why do we believe Jesus gave such man any true riches or wisdom at all? It may interest you to go over to TWW and read their article, as well as the comments from members of that church who state they were unfairly misrepresented in their vote against this new pastor. So very sorry, but not everything is about race and not everyone is a racist. Proverbs 18:17. Melisa do you attend First Baptist ? Thats why its so harmful to the church; its born of and encourages the myopic tendencies of American evangelicalism. Member of the Evangelical Theological Society Sandra received her Bachelor's degree in Elementary Education from our local college, Florida Gulfcoast University in 2001. So sick of this hate and evil which is exactly what this all is. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. However, he stated, In the 22 years I was there (FBC Naples), I never heard a racist commentever. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Selected and edited comments from an article by Carl Trueman, Revoice, Evangelical Culture, and the Return of an Old Friend (July 31, 2018). Wicker said in late October, when FBC Naples excommunicated the 18 members, it also stopped paying him his severance. Following worship services on December 7 and 8, receptions were held to honor Edies six years at the church. We believe all matters of life should be subjected to the Scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16). Dorrill said at the Nov. 2 service thatdisciplinary action "towards church members who have violated our church covenant by causing dissension, disruption and spreading of misinformation have been taken and are underway. Click on the link below to see how you can use your gifts and talents for the Kingdom, from Naples to the nations! Wicker called the allegations appalling., We reached out to Boone, specifically asking about the allegations mentioned in the video, but he did not respond. Yet Wicker said that without his approval or prior knowledge, a statement read by Boone was inserted at the beginning of the video, saying that Wicker had confessed to misuses of power and actions unbecoming of a Senior Pastor. This statement was also emailed to church members on May 23. Instead of the transition period Wicker announced, the staff strong-armed Wicker out after over a quarter of a century of service to the people of FBC Naples, sources told the Capstone Report. I am sickened by the way he was treated and am grateful for this exposure. The situation at FBC Naples should serve as a solemn reminder to church members everywhere to ensure that their by-laws provide church members biblical protections from rogue staff members who would seek to dominate their church. What Happens Now? Visit: firstnaples.org/media. I am not lesser or better, but different. The 26-year-old guard, Jemel Roberson, was detaining a suspected gunman who opened fire at the bar where Roberson worked when the police officer fatally shot Roberson. That's not what happened at First Baptist Church of Naples, Florida. The film makes note that Marcus Hayes was subsequently ramrodded in Crossroads Church Texas. We must keep those objectives straight; we are not entitled to wage warfare against people or to enter into diplomatic relations with anti-Christian ideas. At the end of the service we found the pastor in The Commons area. With two young children at home, she dedicated her time to being a stay at home mom until 2007 when the Lord opened the door for her to be a preschool teacher at First Baptist Academy in Naples. Soon, one way or another there will be a woke pastor in the pulpit of FBCN. Sad state of affairs. The church also launched a schoolFirst Baptist Academy. Such a loving bunch, arent they?!). "My heart goes out to his family," Hayes wrote. The Marcus Hayes vote was used to cry wolf. Instead, Ericksen said Hayes has no experience as a head pastor and said that his political views wouldn't go along with a conservative church. First Baptist Naples has a byzantine process that allows the pastoral staff to recommend to the deacons the expulsion of a member. The pastor was amazing, the atmosphere electrifying, we had fallen in love with the pastor. Marcus Hayes, an African-American who is on staff at Biltmore Church in the Asheville, North Carolina area, was the candidate. Instead he was charged with this amorphous set of wrongdoings that were later largely or totally shown to be untrue. Wicker said the church never responded to his letter. Former Pastor Accused of Rape Resigns from Churchome After TRR Investigation; Church Official Makes False Claims, EXCLUSIVE: John MacArthur Shamed, Excommunicated Mother for Refusing to Take Back Child Abuser, Days-long Revival Sweeping Asbury University in Kentucky, EXCLUSIVE: John MacArthur Covered Up Pastors Sexual Abuse, Witnesses Say, EXCLUSIVE: John MacArthurs Church Supported Convicted Child Abuser & Pedophile, Records Show, Dante Bowe Posts, Then Removes, Apology for Behavior Causing Split with Maverick City Music, Matt Chandler Steps Aside After Admitting Inappropriate Online Relationship, John MacArthur Pulls Out of Ligonier Conference, Pastor Resigns From Houston Megachurch After Admitting Affair, Televangelist Creflo Dollar Renounces Past Teachings on Tithing, But Questions Persist. We need to see people as fellow human beings made in the image of God. It was all being done vindictively and not in a righteous, godly manner., Concerned families gravitated to the Caudills, who had served in SBC churches for over 50 years. Some of these blacks are church leaders. What does this say about Big Eva? I was shocked that they would make this immediate, Wicker said. pastoral staff has publicly accused church members who did not approve of Marcus He shared some examples, including one from a woman who said the church had failed to check Hayes' Twitter account and called him a "radical leftist. The dissenters, and their surrogates, have done a good job (whether they realize it or not) of explaining why Hayes was rejected and much of it is deeply racially tinged, including: Hayes rejection of the notion of racial colorblindness, Hayes support of Eric Masons book Woke Church and intersectionality, Hayes support of slavery reparations for descendants of African American slaves, and Hayes alleged statements in support of more black leadership in SBC member organizations. Havent hurt enough yet. Its devastating to the proclamation of the Gospel. Ready to start serving? Dorrill did not elaborate on how the process was compromised, and Bonnett did not answer emailed questions about the matter. DWCF. What a great and wise man of God he is? Marcus D. Hayes, a pastor from Hendersonville, North Carolina, was brought before the church congregation on the weekend of Oct. 26 and 27 by the church'spastor search committee to affirm him as the next senior pastor. action has been taken to enact church discipline on the dissenters because of Takeaway: So much for a democracy. Need to read the book by Shelby Steele White Guilt where he lays out perfectly the Marist agenda going on. Second, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. encouraged color blindness. Trust me, I have been guilty of that very same thing myself and Ive learned the hard way being on the other side. 3000 Orange Blossom Drive. Sadly, that did not come to fruition. church as large as FBC Naples. @Bernie Lutchman you are so correct. These were ALL issues that these so-called dissenters were trying to have addressed PRIOR to the arrival of Marcus. We have known Hayes & his family as good Christian people etc.for over 25 years. He also didnt meet the qualifications for the job. "And, as a result of that, there have been groups who honestly feel a little disenfranchised. I am saying that, as I have countless experiences of colorblind people saying or doing insensitive, offensive things because they forgot Im black. Despite his disagreement with the process, Wicker said he submitted to an exit agreement offered by the church, which included a non-disclosure clause. I would know. Concerned Members of FBCN says the petition received 800 signatures. We are so glad you've chosen to join us. In fact, concerned church members have come forward to reveal the questions and concerns they had about the nominee. Arkansas Youth Pastor Pleads Guilty to 13 Counts of Sexual Assault, Churches Respond to Action of SBC Executive Committee, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. Hi. Help Guides Bunch of old white guys with too much time on their hands and too many books in their personal theology libraries. We reached out to Dorrill, but he refused to answer any questions. ", Two members of the counting committee, he said, have admitted to leaking confidential early voting results from Saturday night to a lay leader in the church "who then used that information, we believe, to compromise the process.". FBC Naples also sent several cease and desist letters from prominent law firm, Holland & Knight, to several church members suspected of having involvement with the Voices of FBCN email. Sylee Gibson, an excommunicated member who works in law enforcement, added that the man chairing the FBC Naples senior pastor search team is a Florida businessman with a checkered pastNeil Dorrill. FBC Napless accusations and treatment of Pastor Wicker upset dozens of church members. Thats what REALLY happened. "It had to do with biblical principals that many questioned," she wrote. Our constitution and bylaws stated that a Senior Pastor must be affirmed by at least an 85% or higher vote. First Naples || Livestream - Streaming live from Naples, FL. It stinks to me of Greed. Christianity Today (CT) reported in November that Neil Dorrill had claimed at a Q&A session that inappropriate emails had been sent to Hayess church in North Carolina, Biltmore Church. *Please note that the preceding is my personal opinion. Im inclined to believe it wasnt racially motivated. One screenshot of a tweet included in the email centers around the fatal shooting of a black security guard by a white police officer in suburban Chicago last year. It only becomes a problem if you think my worth is different because of it. Sources close to the church administration have said they fear raising any issues that might bring adverse consequences to them, their children, or their grandchildren. Colson thought so highly of an oath of integrity that Wicker had written that Colson included the oath in his landmark book,The Body. Greear, SEBTS President Danny Akin, and Rev. The search for a senior pastor continues, with Dorrill leading the search committee. Our church voted by a percentage of 81 % to bring Marcus Hayes as our next Pastor. What Bible verse says that it is a good idea to borrow money to make your church building bigger and more fancy? 11,847 were here. 3000 Orange Blossom Drive, Naples, FL 34109, U.S. Doesnt matter what denomination or race you are, all of this drama is toxic on a nuclear level for the body and spirit and surely the work of Satan himself. Blake Crawford and former deacon, Mike Dolan, said they were also suspended around that time. Dorrill near the end of a Nov. 2 service told the congregation that "the integrity of our election last weekend was compromised. 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The deacons vote on it, and, if they approve the recommendation, the individual then is informed. Naples, FL 34109 (239) 597-2233. Am I not allowed as a deacon and 15+ year member of the church to ask questions about leaders who in my opinion have lied and deceived the church for political gain? Pastor John David Edie, who wrote the open letter to the SBC on behalf of leaders at FBC Naples, alleging racism, resigned in early December. @Michelle I believe you make valid points. Carla, thanks to my excommunicated status, I guess you could call me one of the dissenters and racists. So we are ambassador-soldiers, reaching out to sinners with the truth even as we make every effort to destroy the lies and other forms of evil that hold them in deadly bondage. I believe Hayes was rejected because of racism. Yet despite all thats happened, Wicker said, I pray people would not use this to come against megachurches or seeing all committees as bad., Similarly, Caudill stated, First Baptist Naples still has potential to be used greatly by God. It also appears that the SBC concluded too soon who was in the right. The separation was hardly amicable. A lengthyOct. 24 email signed by the "group of concerned FBCN members"and obtained by the Daily News was titled "Concerns Surfacing About Compatibility with Marcus Hayes." Boy oh boy. This remains an elephant in the room at every worship service at that church. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. But, then again, with such an unmistakable history of racism behind it, predicting which way the SBC would jump in response to a charge of racism would be too easy. The Holy Spirit inspired him to write his short epistle to people who were struggling with some of these very same issues. Any copyrighted material displayed or referenced is done under the doctrine of fair use. I can tell you I am not a racist. Similarly, SBC president J.D. I just wish so many from my former church would open their eyes and see whats going on. Location Berean Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church located in the beautiful community of Naples, Florida, just south of Ft. Myers. My heart goes out to his family. The biggest reason most did not vote yes, had to do with the fact that people didnt think it was fair to ask Marcus to uproot his family and relocate to a church that was in COMPLETE turmoil and had a leadership that was REFUSING to acknowledge it. (Hayes this month took his first senior pastor position at a church in Texas.). And thats shepherding many hundreds of people over many years., In its open letter to the SBC, FBC Naples lay leaders and staff wrote that they know racial prejudice contributed to Marcus Hayess failed vote because of the campaign that started just days before by a few disgruntled people in our church., Presumably, the campaign to which the letter is referring is an email that was sent from the Concerned Members to those who had signed the petition shortly before the Hayes vote, requesting a special business meeting. More bluntly What have we done? . "We know this because of the campaign that started just days before by a few disgruntled people in our church.". But more importantly, Ericksen said, members feel their voice isn't being heard by church leaders. The final vote was 81 percent in favor and 19 percent against. But am I not allowed to vote based on my opinion without being called a racist? Our leadership has gone astray, I fear, and those who find the courage to stand up to them have targets on their backs. If you promote that, take a LONG look in the mirror. Get directions, reviews and information for First Baptist Church - Naples in Naples, FL. Mancini said its standard to recommend that an outgoing senior pastor not be involved in a pastoral succession process. He said the church was hopeful that Hayes would allow his name to be reconsidered as the church's next senior pastor or interim pastor. Wicker spent 27 years as pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples. Wicker, a former President of the Florida Baptist Convention and the SBC Pastors Conference, was such a high-profile leader and fundraiser for Baptist causes that his retirement was covered by Baptist Press, which reported the following on February 4th: In mid-January, Wicker, 68, In 2016, under the leadership of its former pastor, the church changed its bylaws to adopt the85%approval rule, instead of a simple or super-majority, Stearns continued. First, I didnt think it was fair to put a new pastor in the midst of such corruption and confusion. Numerous now-former church members have been purged from the church membership roll. However, leaked Christians should model justice and love to the world. First Baptist Naples is, ethnically, a predominantly white church but we are not a racist church.. If it can happen at FBC Naples, it can happen anywhere. Wicker said that during the meeting, the men confronted him with an anonymous letter that accused Wicker of financial impropriety, such as not tracking his miles on a church-leased vehicle. You would call Martin Luther King an Uncle Tom Im sure. Pastor Hayes is the Pastor. Enough racists voted against the pastor. You may recall this line from his I have a dream speech: I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I believe Dr. King was right. Masters of Divinity in Christian Apologetics, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary Catholic Idolaters Claim to Find St. Peters BonesAgain. emails from the accused church members reveal that dissenters were More than 450 emails in support of Hayes were received by the church in the past four days, Dorrill said during the Nov. 2 service. First Naples glorifies God by being a multigenerational, multiethnic, multiplying church, that raises up the next generation of disciple makers, church planters, missionaries, and world changers, to reach Naples to the Nations. And it is must never be carried out with retribution in mind, but always with the hope of restoration. However, no evidence of racism has yet been produced. Edie, the church's executive pastor, however, called Hayes "one of the most qualified men in Southern Baptist life to be a Senior Pastor of any church in this country.". Exactly right. Last Wicker also was pastor for 20 years to evangelical author and founder of Prison Fellowship, Chuck Colson. He and his wife and his children love God and Gods people. Go. This ban prevented him from seeing his granddaughter perform in a play being put on at the churchs school, First Baptist Academy. Isnt that how we should judge any one persons claims, by how it squares with Scripture on a case-by-case basis? We've got a Bible & Life Group that's perfect for . Have attended a lot of Southern Baptist Churches. But a question and answer session with Hayes and his wife held by the church on Oct. 24 offers some glimpses into the opposition that built against the prospective new senior pastor and the apparent rift between church leadership and some in the congregation. But I dont see how the spirit of God can move among those people, unless they are willing to understand what has happened and admit that what they have done is absolutely atrocious, ungodly, unjust, and even in violation of their own bylaws.. It is time for the SBC to do what they should have done first, before concluding who was right: Shine the light, Brothers, shine the light in here. The church decided to use the racism card instead ACTUALLY deal with the real issues going on. "We all realize that the year of 2019 has been very difficult in the life of our church," Dorrill said. If there is any racism its from Pastor Hayes and his endorsement of Woke Movement. ", Church officials, however, have been largely mum on the details of the alleged campaign and racism. The church staff alleged that racism was behind the rejection. Jonathan Akin is also national director of young leaders for SBCs North American Mission Board. Upvote 1 Downvote. And guess what? I lived it. When that man runs out of money before completion what is everyone going to say? Hotels. United States In June, Voices of FBCN sent an email to many in the church, criticizing the actions of church leadership. I guess I missed this one. You obviously didnt pay attention to everything in that article, only the points you chose to focus on on. Jemel Roberson was in my student ministry while I was a youth pastor in Chicago. I'm New. Giving. Freelance journalist Josh Shepherd writes on faith, culture, and public policy for several media outlets. Last fall, First Baptist Church (FBC) Naplesa prominent Southern Baptist megachurch in southwest Floridamade national headlines for rejecting an African American pastoral candidate because of some alleged racist members. There are many more than five things you should know about this situation that obviously you either do not know, or have chosen to ignore because they dont support your rhetoric. This is a warning to all Southern Baptists. The congregation must find a way to publicly be able to bring Hayes Wicker and his family back into this fellowship as loved and former members. Raising concerns over a pastoral candidates seeming endorsement of the book Woke Church doesnt make someone a racist. Church sees massive budget shortfall since longtime pastor retired. God has done great things among us and we believe that greater things are yet to come! He didnt return multiple phone calls and e-mails. This group was engaged in an email campaign to inform church members about various concerns with Marcus Hayes. Wicker said several weeks later, the church emailed him, stating that Wicker had facilitated and cooperated with a rival faction in the church, which voided his exit agreement. I guess thats why this slanderous information is labeled as commentary. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. According to the inside source, soon after his employment at FBC Naples ended, Wicker was banned from the church campus. The process offers no protections for those suspected worthy of dismissal, so it invites rampant abuse. I spoke at length with this individual and how no reason to doubt the veracity of the individuals accounts. The church by-laws allow for the expulsion of members without consulting the entire church body. And thats ok. God created me too. 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